Beyond Blue Interview Part 2
Part Two of my interview with Therese J. Borchard, author of Beyond Blue: Surviving Depression & Anxiety and Making the Most of Bad Genes
According to your book, you tried 23 different combinations of medication. Why did you have to try so many?
My form of bipolar disorder was subtle and hard to detect. Actually, many people are incorrectly diagnosed with Major Depression when they are, in fact, bipolar because you never go into a doctor’s office complaining about feeling like a superstar. “I just don’t understand, Doc, I wrote a book in a night.” Since mania is so often exhilarating, but most always ends in a crash, the crash is all the doctors hear about.
I also was under the care of some doctors—like the one I dub “Pharma King” in my book—that have their hands deep into the pockets of big Pharma, and so will prescribe only the newest drugs on the market, courtesy of all the nice samples they get. Ultimately, I decided to get a psychiatric consultation with Johns Hopkins University because the doctors there are less apt to take orders from big Pharma and because they don’t get lazy about staying up on the research that, for example, might say that Lithium is just as effect as the new antipsychotics.
Now that you’ve gotten the right help, are you still struggling? How would you go about a typical day?
I’d love to report that ever since I found the right doctor, I’ve never shed another tear or had a future death wish. I do have rough patches. I’m in one right now. But they don’t disable like they used to. Because I know that they won’t last forever: all depression is temporary. And I have a toolbox of trusted techniques that I can use to keep me functioning through the day.
You also talk about seasonal depression. Is seasonal depression something anyone could suffer?
Between 4 and 6 percent of the US population suffers from Seasonal Affective Disorder, but 10 to 20 percent may suffer with a mild form of winter blues. I think that anyone who is “highly sensitive,” meaning very affected by her environment is going to feel the effects of short winter days. The decreased sunlight does alter circadian rhythms, and the lack of vitamin D can make a person feel sluggish. I keep a massive happy lite on my desk to help regiment my circadian rhythm and give me the sunlight effect that I crave.
In your blog, “The Eating Season,” you talked about how the holidays bring special challenges. Can you talk about how food can affect someone with sensitivities or mood fluctuations?
Here’s the catch-22: the more stressed you are, the more you crave coffee and doughnuts, pizza and Coke. But the more Starbucks, Krispy Kreme, and Big Gulps in your system, the more stressed you become. Because when stressed, your body has lower levels of serotonin, which causes your brain to produce cravings for sugar and simple carbohydrates, which primes the beta-endorphin system to want more and more.
The same with caffeine.
It’s a powerful drug that affects a number of neurochemicals in your brain, which means it produces withdrawal symptoms that can make you very very very very irritable.
I try my best to eat what I call “mood foods,” a diet that’s going to assist me in staying sane:
· Spinach! It’s full of B vitamin, which helps the brain produce serotonin … the neurotransmitter that’s real good at sending messages (“I’m happy!”) back and forth between the neurons.
· Walnuts! Apparently rats feel great when given an injection of omega-3 fatty acids. So researchers at McLean Hospital think we will too! Walnuts and ground flaxseeds are the best non-animal source of omega-3s.
· Milk! Milk products and vitamin-fortified non-dairy products contain lots of vitamin D, which increases serotonin production and has been linked to reducing depression according to a study published in the Journal of Internal Medicine.
· Salmon! Again, lots of omega-3s in salmon, which must mean rats love salmon.
· Beans! Good for heart, and the more you eat … the more iron you get too, which helps combat lethargy and grumpiness.
It seems to me that just like any illness, those who suffer depression would benefit from the support of the people around them. How should loved ones and friends go about their support? What should they do to help?
Yes, people with mood disorders do recover more quickly and STAY recovered if they have the support of people around them. I believe that the most important thing that a family member or friend can do is to educate themselves about their loved one’s disorder. Without the knowledge and education, it’s going to be hard to say or do anything that helps. Part of reading up on a person’s illness is, I think, an effort at losing one’s own judgments. If a loved one can suspend her own judgments with regard to her sister’s illness for the hour that she’s with her, that goes a huge way. For me the most hurtful and frustrating element—and why I gave up explaining what I was going through—were the judgments cast toward me because I couldn’t meditate my way to perfect health. Another way that shows love and care is by offering to do laundry, cleaning, cooking, or caring for kids. If a person can help relieve the stress of the person depressed, those efforts will not only help him to feel better quickly, but will communicate the love and care that I think you want to show.
Would you like to offer some words of hope to those who suffer or those whose loved ones suffer depression?
Hope is, indeed, the purpose behind both the blog and the book. It’s hope … even tiny morsels of it on some mornings … that kept me alive. I would read everyday a paragraph from the last page of William Styron’s “Darkness Visible”: “If depression had no termination, then suicide would, indeed, be the only remedy. But one need not sound the false or inspirational note to stress the truth that depression is not the soul’s annihilation; men and women who have recovered from the disease—and they are countless—bear witness to what is probably its only saving grace: it is conquerable.”
I held on to those words, and to Kay Redfield Jamison’s who said, “Tumultuousness, if coupled to discipline and a cool mind, is not such a bad sort of thing. That unless one wants to live a stunningly boring life, one ought to be on good terms with one’s darker side and one’s darker energies.”
Depression is treatable. That’s the good news. Dr. DePaulo at Johns Hopkins reassures people that ANYONE no matter how long they have been ill, or how severe their condition, CAN improve to the point of being “at least 80 percent better at least 80 percent of the time.” Those are statistics I’ll take. Because even if you in the other 20 percent, you can look to Abraham Lincoln who managed to fuel his melancholy into a whole Emancipation Movement, by finding some meaning, some redemption, in the pain, and using it for a greater good.
Great to see such good nutritional advice shared on the blog today.
great interview – thanks for sharing
Those words of hope at the end of this interview are powerful! Thanks Therese and thanks Marie for introducing us to Therese, her blog and her book.
fantastic interview and some great solid advice here.
i applaud Therese’s honesty and her desire to help others – she is a true inspiration.
This has been a terrific interview and as other commentators have said – thanks for introducing us to Therese.
Wow! Such a powerful interview, particularly the last answer! But this part stands out to me the most,…
‘Part of reading up on a person’s illness is, I think, an effort at losing one’s own judgments. If a loved one can suspend her own judgments with regard to her sister’s illness for the hour that she’s with her, that goes a huge way.”
I think this could be said for so many things! How nice to suspend one’s own judgment and just be there for that other person!
Thanks so much for sharing this!
Good point Debbie – I was so taken by all the great information, that had kind of slipped my notice – thanks for pointing it out to us 🙂
Absolutely agree with Debbie – this point stood out for me too- in fact I am printing it off to show some well meaning friends and family members
How refreshing to see someone who is not afraid to say they don’t have all the answers – that they still struggle. Therese’s humanity and vulnerability is most compelling
I found the nutritional advice really helpful – thanks for posting this interview
This interview has been a revelation to me – thank you so much for introducing us to Therese Borchard.
Thank you SO much for introducing us to this inspirational lady – like Susie above, the interviews have been a revelation to me too!
Yes thank you for introducing us to this amazing lady and her blog and book.
I just want to echo everything that has already been said – thank you for introducing us to a brave and inspirational lady and I really enjoyed this interview.
Therese you are a true inspiration – thanks Marie for bringing her to the attention of your readers – a loyal fan!
Thanks for introducing us to Therese and her blog – it has been so helpful for me to read this.
Thanks for shining a little light into the darkness of depression
Marie, thank you so much for the work you are doing. To bring hope and practicality together is what the whole world needs.
Author of Happiness it’s just a habit
Thank you for bringing hope and practical suggestions together.
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